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		<title>Responses to the tough questions | CockadoodleMoo.org | Mark Robison</title>
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			<title>What about donating animals to poor people?</title>
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				&lt;div class="article-summary"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Livestock charities such as Heifer International are a horribly inefficient way to get food to those in need, and the trauma for the animals (and their eventual killing) is not good either.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Click&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/07/1/livestockgiftcharities1_07.html" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;to read Merritt Clifton's 2007 story for Animal People called "Livestock gift charities do not help poor nations, say global critics." Here's an excerpt:&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;LONDON--Sixty years after Heifer International founder Dan West pioneered the idea of soliciting donations to give livestock to poor families in disadvantaged parts of the world, criticism of the practice at last cracked major mainstream news media during the pre-Christmas 2006 peak giving season.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;At least three major British newspapers and news syndicates amplified critiques of livestock donation programs, quoting most extensively from a prepared statement distributed by Animal Aid director Andrew Tyler.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"This year about a dozen agencies are using your money to punt goats, chickens, sheep, camels, donkeys, pigs and cows to the world's starving," Tyler warned donors. "Prices vary: £70 will get you a cow from Help The Aged. Send A Cow demands £750 per animal. Farm Friends wants £30 for a goat, whereas World Vision will settle for £91 for a whole herd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"Farming animals is an inefficient, expensive and environmentally destructive way of producing food," Tyler continued. "Sceptical readers might accuse me of dressing up a concern about animal welfare as a concern for the world's poor. There are major animal welfare issues involved in sending animals to, for instance, the Horn of Africa, where earlier this year up to 80% of the cattle perished in a drought. Many of the remainder were washed away in the floods that followed. But this is not about cows taking precedence over people. Reality is that animal gift schemes are, in the words of the World Land Trust, 'environmentally unsound and economically disastrous.'"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"Oxfam, Christian Aid, Help the Aged, and others are wooing the ethical shopper with pictures of cute goats wearing Christmas hats and promises of helping the poor in developing countries," summarized Sean O'Neill of The Times of London, "but the World Land Trust and Animal Aid say that it is 'madness' to send goats, cows and chickens to areas where they will add to the problems of drought and desertification."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Said World Land Trust director John Burton, "The goat campaign may be a pleasing gift and a short-term fix for milk and meat for a few individuals, but in the long term the quality of life for these people will slowly be reduced with devastating effect." ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Objection from India&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Commented former Indian minister for social welfare and animal protection Maneka Gandhi, "Nothing irritates me more than charities abroad that collect money and purport to give it to women or children or for animals in Asia or Africa. Very little reaches the country or the cause for which it is meant. Most of it goes toward their own 'infrastructure,' which means rent, staff, travel and 'investigation,'" Mrs. Gandhi charged.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"If people have paid money for 5,000 animals, fewer than 200 will actually get there--I can bet on it. This is cynical exploitation of animals and poor people," Mrs. Gandhi alleged. "Basically [livestock gift schemes] are a fundraising mechanism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"These charities woo the ethical shopper with pictures of goats wearing Christmas hats and promises of helping the poor in developing countries [but] it is madness to send goats, cows and chickens to areas where they will add to the problems of drought and desertification," Mrs. Gandhi continued.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"Each goat eats all the grass and shrubbery on two hectares of land a year. A goat destroys the fertility of land and [the value of] any milk or dung it may give is very little compared to the havoc it wreaks. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"Within two years," Mrs. Gandhi asserted, "the people who get goats have an even poorer lifestyle. There are village quarrels about community grazing; children are taken out of school to graze the goats; water becomes even scarcer. Two goats can reduce the amount of farmland available to local people and result in villages becoming deserted, while a cow will drink up to 90 liters of water every single day."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Protest to Oprah&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Massachusetts Animal Rights Coalition cofounders Steve and Helen Rayshick asked animal advocates to join them in complaining to television show host Oprah Winfrey about her "supporting and promoting Heifer International," the Rayshicks wrote.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"The Heifer International training farm, called Overlook Farms, is near us in Rutland, Massachusetts," the Rayshicks said. "They raise lambs and other animals for slaughter. It is no different from any other animal farm. We consider the 'donation' of animals to other countries to be a thinly viewed attempt to spread dairy and meat consumption to new parts of the world," the Rayshicks continued. "Note that Heifer International first sent dairy cows to Japan, after World War II, instead of sending them healthy food that was a natural part of the Japanese diet."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Japanese activist Lydia Tanabe affirmed to ANIMAL PEOPLE that the Heifer International work in Japan is widely viewed as the start of the modern Japanese factory-style dairy industry, which is seen as having elevated Japanese animal fat consumption, with detrimental influence on adult health. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;"Heifer International is bringing a cruel, unhealthy, environmentally destructive diet to cultures that are primarily vegetarian," the Rayshicks objected. "Plus, one of the cruelest aspects of animal agriculture is animal transport, a mainstay of this organization. We wonder how many of these poor animals just get eaten on the spot upon arrival." ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Islamic charities&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;The activist criticisms of animal donation schemes came just as leading Islamic charities introduced similar programs that enable Muslims to "get the animal of their choice sacrificed online for festivities like Eid Al Adha," according to syndicated reports originating from the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. The charities reportedly included the Alamgir Welfare Trust International, of Karachi; the Sahara for Life Trust formed by singer Abrarul Haq; and the U.S. charities Islamicity and Life for Relief &amp;amp; Development.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Vegetarian organizations and some animal advocates have criticized livestock donations as often being inappropriate, ineffective in fighting poverty, and inhumane almost since Heifer International started in 1948, then called the Heifer Project. Some agricultural economists began pointing out flaws in the strategy during the 1970s, notably that many recipients of gift animals were unable to feed them to maturity, let alone able to feed and raise offspring. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Environmentalists later added questions about the wisdom of introducing non-native livestock to often fragile habitats, where animals with larger or different appetites from the indigenous strains might overtax the vegetation or simply starve.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:39:21 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>If it's OK for a lion to eat a cow, why isn't it OK for me?</title>
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				&lt;div class="article-summary"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; white-space: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;A friend recently came up to me agitated after someone told her that her vegan beliefs didn’t make sense because if it's OK for a mountain lion to eat a pig or a cow, why shouldn't it be OK for humans to eat them, too? She wanted to know how I’d respond.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;The problem is that the person challenging her is comparing apples (lions) and oranges (normal adult humans).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;Let’s tweak the situation a bit. Suppose a two-year-old human has stumbled upon Daddy’s handgun and is waving it around and shoots Mommy in the head, killing her. Did the infant do something morally wrong? No, of course not. The infant has no understanding of morality, rights, guns or death. Therefore she can’t be held responsible in a moral sense for its actions. Normal adult humans, however, do know what death is. If a neighbor were whipping a dog and burning the animal with cigarettes, we’d know this was wrong. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;Similarly, we know it’s wrong to keep pigs in gestation crates on concrete floors where they can’t turn around and live their lives in boredom and pain. We know it's wrong when the male calves are sent to veal crates after being born to dairy cows who must be repeatably and forcibly impregnated to keep producing milk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;One way we’re able to tell ourselves it’s wrong when we see the neighbor hurting his dog but not when the factory farmer hurts a pig or cow is to lie to ourselves and pretend that pigs and cows and chickens don’t live in awful conditions but are “happy” and romping in fields before they’re slaughtered or maybe even that "Daisy" gets to retire to a pasture after her milk production decreases.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;Another way is just not to think about it, to look at shrink-wrapped slices of pink and not think that they were created from suffering, or to hide the fact that a thinking, feeling animal was the source by disguising these pieces of corpses with names such as “beef” or “hamburger” or “nuggets” or “ham.” Or some people tell themselves nonhuman animals are dumb so it doesn't matter that they're hurt and killed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;A similar “gotcha” challenge involves an unlikely hypothetical situation: “Suppose you’re on a lifeboat and there are four people and a pig and no food. Are you saying you would starve rather than eat the pig? If you wouldn’t let yourself die, then you’re a hypocrite for judging my meat eating.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;First, let’s deal with the lifeboat. If one of us absolutely must die, then the pig should go. Life will be more meaningful and potentially productive for a normal adult human, so human life trumps pig life in this extreme situation. (Admittedly, this scenario is based on human prejudices. A pig might consider a pig's life more meaningful.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;Does this make vegans hypocrites? Of course not. Again, let’s tweak the situation and say that the lifeboat contains five beings, only this time it’s four scientists who are on the verge of making major breakthroughs in cancer prevention, cancer cures, renewable energy and food production, along with a fifth human, who is an average bloke who spends his time on TV and beer. The boat can’t hold all five people without sinking; one of them must be thrown overboard to certain drowning or else they’ll all die. Who should it be? Clearly the TV-watching beer drinker. So does that mean you should extrapolate this situation to the regular world to justify killing people based on who’s dumber? Would you be a hypocrite for judging someone who kills dumb people because of how you answered this lifeboat question?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14px;"&gt;Just because Nature doesn’t care about moral concepts, that doesn’t mean moral concepts have no value and we should be able to do anything we want to other beings with no regard for their feelings. All thinking, feeling beings have the right to not to be considered mere things. And because we’re lucky enough to actually have the brain power to understand the harm we cause others -- and to find alternatives to causing this suffering -- then we have an obligation not to cause suffering when possible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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